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Enviado por andrea mares (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 17:49

vaig a parlar de socrates i dels sofistes.
Sòcrates era un filòsof grec que va nàixer a Atenes l'any 470 a.c.
Sòcrates no és considerat sofista perquè no pensava igual que ells. Per a sòcrates, ningú es podia considerar savi perquè níngú no sabia mai tot el que es podia saber. D'alguna manera Sòcrates ridiculizava als sofistes, que si que pensaven que eren vertaders savis.
Els sofistes tenien una gran habilitat per parlar i eren capaços de canviar l'opinió de la gent en conveniencia seua i Sòcrates això ho criticava. Pensava que no era convenient manipular a la gent de la manea que ho podien fer els sofistes i com que moltes vegades ridiculitzava als sofistes fent-los vore que no sabien tant com pensaven i que manipulaven a la gent dient una veritat falsa, va ser una de les causes pel que van condemnar a mort, perquè es va guanyar l'enemistat de molts sofistes que tenien un gran paper polític en Atenes.

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Enviado por andrea mares (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 17:59

(segona part)Aquesta manera d'ensenyar que tenien els sofistes es podria compara amb la televisió quan mitjançant "paraules boniques" o frases que no semblen molt manipulables ens manipulen. per exemple, quan alomillor ix en la televisió algun discurs d'algun politic. El politic diu la veritat ala seua manera o des del seu punt de vista, i potser allò que diu no és del tot la veritat, sino que és la part de la veritat que a ell li interessa, i que utlitza per al seu benfici.
La postura de Sòcrates, la de trobar la vertadera veritat es podria comparar amb la televisió quan fan algun programa(tipo 59 segundos o algo aixina)
on es diu la veritat sencera, perquè hi ha diferents versions de diferents persones que alomillor no opinen igual i no es mostra una part de la veritat que puga interessar a uns quants, sino a moltes persones, perquè no sempre es diu la veritat com a algu l'agradaria, sino que diuen les coses tal com son, com feia Sòcrates.

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Enviado por Verónica Mas Garcia (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 19:06

Voy a hablar de Protágoras.Este nacio en
Abdera en el año 490 a.c y era un sofista.
Este enseñaba mediante sus dicursos intentando persuadir a los jovenes.Este individuo no creia en los dioses igual que Socrates por ello fue obligado a dejar Atenas.

Su frase más impotante es "El hombre es la medida de todas las cosas, de las que son, en tanto que son, y de las que no son, en cuanto que no son"
Esto quiere decir que no hay verdades para todos y que cada uno decide si es verdad o no.
Depende de como percivamos las cosas.

Esta frase es la que más esta relaciona con los anuncios por que los anuncios son como argumentos persuasivos ( como hacia Protágoras enseñando) que les da lo mismo si decir la verdad o la mentira.
En muchos casos por no decir la mayoria los anuncios o cualquier programa estan dirigidos a decir mentiras para poder persuadir a la gente mucho mejor aunque algunas personas no se las creen mientras que otras que son unas hipocritas y se las creen o no

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Enviado por Verónica Más Garcia (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 19:14

(2 PARTE)
quieren darse cuenta de la realidad.Por eso la frase de Protágoras tiene mucho que ver.
Por que cada uno busca la verdad o la mentira en algunos anuncios aunque no se den cuenta de como son las cosas y como además a los publicitas les da lo mismo la verdad o la mentira cada vez lo hacen más dificil para persuadirnos o convencernos de una forma o otra .
Varios ejemplos son todos los anuncios de cosmetica para la cara:.. que si te qiuta la arrugas, que si te hace 10 años más joven.... Todo mentiras por que se ha comprovado que por mucho que te pongas cremas vas a envejecer igualmente es ley de vida.

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Enviado por Mónica Pérez Pinaya 1 BAR (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 19:43

La biografia de"ARISTOTELES" nació en Estagira en el año 385/4.
En el 367/6, cuando tenía diecisiete años,se trasladó a Atenas sin perder la ciudadanía de Estagira, donde ingresó en la Academia platónica para estudiar. Platón debía tener unos cincuenta años por aquel entonces, y Aristóteles debió ser uno de sus discípulos más brillantes ("el lector"le llamaba Platón). En el 347 muere Platón, que había designado a su sobrino Espeusipo como sucesor en la dirección de la Academia y Aristóteles deja la Academia para dirigirse a Asso (Eólida) acompañado de Jenócrates y Teofrasto. Allí, donde trabajaban algunos platónicos, se convierte en consejero político y amigo del tirano Hermias de Atarnea, con cuya sobrina, Pitia, se casará más tarde.
Aristoteles posee una gran caracteristica que les destinge de los demás que es el pensamiento.A diferencia de Platón, no va enseñar la sensaciony la imaginacion como fuentes de conocimiento, la sensacion lo conciderara como origen del comocimiento.

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Enviado por Marta Miguel Garcés (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 20:03

Aristoteles, verdadero nombre de Platón nacido en Atenas en 427 a.C. A partir del 407 a.C Platón se mantuvo durante ocho años siguiendo sus enseñanzas.Su maetro era Sócrates.
Empezó una época viajera que fue a Egipto y a la Cirenaica.Después va al sur de Italia.El Pitagorismo tenia una enorme influencia en la filosofía de Platón.
Platón intenta influir en sus ideas políticas y filosoficas con la esperanza de poner en marcha su ideal de ciudad. De vuelta a Atenas una tradición supone que Platón es capturado y vendido como esclavo. Luego es comprado por Anniceris que lo pone en libertad.Platón vuelve a Atenas y funda la primera gran escuela.
Muere en 347 a.C.
Tenia dos teorías: teoría de las ideas y del conocimiento.
Estan relacionadas las dos ideas. El conocimiento debe tener como objeto lo que es en verdad real en contraste con lo que lo es sólo en apariencia.Osea que el conocimiento solo debe referirse a las cosas que son de verdad(comprobadas) y no lo que aparenta serlo (lo que solo se cree y no se sabe seguro)
Como ejemplo pondría algunos programas del corazón q los reporteros investigas sobre algunos famosos y dicen lo que ellos creen y nos hacen creernos lo hasta que el famoso va al programa en persona y cuenta su versión y supuestamente esa es la verda.Aunque a veces cuentes mentiras pero luego se contratan con pruebas que demuestran la verda pura.

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Enviado por Mónica Pérez Pinaya 1 BAT (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 20:11

(CONTINUA).Aristóteles mantiene una postura claramente empirista.
Aristoteles habla de la"ETICA"Y dice que el fin de los hombre es la felicidad y que estaran subornados a otros fines.
y en esta teoria yo creo que tiene mucha razón por que el felicidad es lo que todos buscamos y muchas veces el dinero tiene esa finalidad por eso hacen esos juegos como la"LA RULETA DE LA SUERTE","ALLÁ TU", ETC.
Pero no siempre el dinero da la felicidad por ejemplo una familia que tiene todo el dineo del mundo no podran comprar algunas cosas como por ejemplo la humildad, el respeto,etc todas a quellas cosas que no se puede comprar comprar con dinero.
PERO TODAS LAS PERSONAS ,DICEN QUE LA FELICIDAD ES TENER MUCHO DINERO.

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Enviado por Inma Manzaneda Pradas (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 20:31

He agafat Antifonte per fer aquest blog:
Antifonte,va ser un sofista contemporani de sòcrates va nàixer a ramnunte a làny 411 a.c i va morir cap la 480.Va ser un refinat i culte in telectual que inclús va fer labors de psicòleg en els seus temps; va tenir un corinte en el que anunciaba que podia curar a tots els afligits mitjançant la paraula. Segons aquest sofista les rails de totes les enfermetats físiques es troben en la ment, aplegant a ser de vegades evasions en la vida.
Antifonte va ser un defensor de la physis fron al nomos segons aquest, les lleis no es funden en la natura, són convencions subjectes al canvi continu; hi ha cose bones per physis i hi ha coses bones per nomos, els homes deuen seguir els els preceptes de la natura abans que els de les lleis; a més la natura ens empuixa a evitar el dolor i a buscar el plaer, és en aquesta última frase que em vaig a centrar per fer la comparació, i la vaig a comparar amb els programes com el tipus de "a tu lado", ja que els .....

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Enviado por inma manzaneda pradas (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 20th, 2006, 20:40

Continuació:
els personantges que van a programes d'aquet tipus l'única cosa que busquen, al anar a eixos programes a críticar a la gent o contar algun succés de la seua vida, són els diners que en este cas seria el plaer per a ells, i així tinguent aquestos diners evadixen el dolor que en el seu cas seria ser una persona normal i corrent amb una quantita de diners normal i suficient per a viure.I per aconseguir aquest plaer o els diners són capaços de opinar,parlar, insultar de qui siga , on siga i de qualsevol manera i fins i tot ficarse ells en ridícul o evidència davant tota la gent que esta mirant el programa.

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Enviado por Paula Grafiada 1r Batx. B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 21st, 2006, 18:44

TRASÍMAC

Va nàixer a Calcedònia de Bitinia, apoximadament en l’any 450 a. de C.
En un fragment d’un discurs seu, a l’ Assemblea Atenense, celebrat en l’última etapa de les guerres del “peloponeso”. Trasímac acosella armonia entre els partits i evitar que siga l’ànsia de poder el que legitime les seues lluites partidistes, cosa que encara trobem a l’actualitat. Va mantindre una postura realista que afirmaba que la justicia és l’interés del més fort, allò que el beneficia, l’interesa i li convé al gobern establert, és a dir, al més fort.
Per tant, al que s’opossava Trasímac era que, baix de tot el teatre del poder, ens trobem sempre amb el domini del fort sobre el dèbil.
Aquest va morir, possiblement de suicidi, passat l’any 339ª. De C.

Bé, jo pense que el fet que ja deia Trasímac sobre que baix de tot el poder, sempre hi ha un domini del més fort sobre el dèbil tant a la política com ell deia, com a l’ensenyança, al carrer,… a la societat en general, fins i tot a la televisió perquè ací trobem que, primer, als anuncis ens manipulen com volen, podríem dir que ells són els forts i nosaltres els dèbils, perquè ells manen del que ens volen vendre; d’altra banda podem vore el domini del poder a les diferents canals, així, als diferents informatius, enfoquen cada una de les notícies d’una manera, depenent del partit que hi haja, i a la vegada ells ens manipulen a nosaltres, encara que reben ordres però ens ho diuen i nosaltres els fem cas, de manera que no hi ha mostra més clara que eixa on es veja el poder del més fort a la televisió, al menys per a mi; però també podem trobar altres exemples, com el fet de que avuí en dia a la nostra societat s’està lluitant per fer que a les pasareles no hi haja tantes xiques massa primes, per a llevar aquesta idea cada vegada tan extessa, bé, segons diuen han d’utilitzar més d’una talla 36, cosa que veig que no es va a aconseguir, però bé, a la televisió què veiem? Presentadores grosses? Anuncis amb xiques grosses? No. Així que ací tenim altre exemple en el que la televisió en conjunt utilitza el seu poder, sap que és tan important a la societat que tot allò que emeta serà vist per moltes persones i que aquestes ho acceptaran (la majoria) de manera que aquelles idees que transmeta seran les que dominaran a la societat.

Així que podríem dir que tota a tota la televisió hi ha aquesta regla en la que el fort sempre guanya el dèbil.

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Enviado por Maria cuesta felguera 1ªbat B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 21st, 2006, 23:34

Gorgias de Leontinos nació en Leontinos (Sicilia) aproximadamente en el 490 a de C. y murió pasando los cien años de edad (aprox. en el 380 a .de C.).Supuesto alumno de Empédocles. Trabajó en muchas ciudades griegas, hasta que se instala en Atenas en el 427 como jefe de una embajada de su ciudad, a los 60 años. Fue un orador famoso y sutil. Se dedicó fundamentalmente a enseñar el arte de la retórica como el camino más adecuado para acceder al poder.
La verdad es presencia, opinión, parecer, etc. Y la retórica es la técnica que posibilita que la opinión tuya triunfe sobre la de los demás. Gorgias fue duramente criticado por su oportunismo.

-Las tres tesis de Gorgias:
1. nada es (existe)
2. Si algo existiera, sería incognoscible
3. Si fuera conocible, sería incomunicable

Yo voy a explicar la segunda tesis; Si algo existiera, seria incognoscible:
Siendo igual, el ser seria incognoscible (no se puede conocer), porque todo lo pensable tendría que ser y existirían cosas absurdas.
Ejemplo: un caballo con alas.
Si es distinto, también sería incognoscible, porque implicaría que el pensar es un no ser, siendo imposible conocer el ser a partir de este.

Yo utilizo esta tesis para relacionar-la con:
-La televisión en muchas ocasiones aparecen en series, programas, sobretodo en los anuncios cosas incognoscibles porque en realidad no son, son cosas, productos, etc.. Son estrategias que crean para vender y obtener beneficios. Algunos de estos anuncios son absurdos. En algunos programas ciertas imágenes que utilizan también son absurdas, cosas que las pueden pensar pero nunca serán realidad, porque el pensar no es un ser.
-En la vida cuotidiana también hay pensamientos incognoscibles, porque si se quisieran llevar a la realidad seria imposible y absurdo, ya que no seria un ser posible de realizar.

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Enviado por beatriz noverges 1º batx (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 21st, 2006, 23:45

SÒCRATES I ELS SOFISTES:

Sócrates va ser el primer gran filòsof que va nàixer a Atenes.Era una persona molt enigmàtica,és a dir misteriosa,no av escriure res de filodofia mai i en canvi es considera un dels més importants filòsofs.
Des del temps de Sócrates,Atenes va ser el centre cultural del món grec. La filosofía va pendre una nova orientació. Ara,l’interés es centrava en l’home i el seu lloc dins de la societat. Per als atenesos era molt important el domini de l’art de la paraula,per dir les coses d’una manera més convincent. Aleshores van aparèixer els sofistes, que van ser els primers en cobrar per ensenyar. La paraula sofista vol dir sàvia i intel•ligent.Els sofistas van decidir reflexionar sobre l’home i els seu lloc dins la societat.
Sócrates no pretenia instruir a la gent,en lloc de sermonejar,discutia (al contrari que els sofistas,que es basaven més a sermonejar). Ell deia que el coneixement ha de venir d’un mateix. Va ser acusat per introduir “nous déus” i “corrompre a la joventut” ,Aixa com de no creure en els déus acceptats. Valorava més la coenciència i la veritat,que no la vida. Si alguna cosa tenen en comú els sofistas i Sócrates és que tots dos es van interessar per l’home i el seu lloc dins de la societat,però Sócrates no estava d’acord amb aquets,ja que no es considerava un d’aquets majorment perque no es considerava savi,al contrari, ell deia que era ignorant:”només sé que no sé res”. A més no ensenyava a canvi de diners.A diferència que els sofistes,creia que l’habilitat per distinguir entre què és bo i què és dolent es troba en la raó de les persones, i no en la societat.

Si comparem els sofistes i Sòcrates amb la televisió veurem que actualment el que passava antigament amb aquests dos ara està molt present,per exemple en els discusos polítics,però jo em vaig a centrar en els anuncis.
Entrant en la publicitat podem dir que aquesta utilitza molts mecanismes de convenció per a que la gent compre els seus productes. Entre un d’aquets mecanismes està l’art de la paraula, que mitjançant aquesta ens manipulen i ens convencen. Si saps parlar bé,pots aconseguir moltes coses,diguent veritat o diguent mentires. Pots saber parlar bé i mentir que aquest és el cas de la publicitat; supose que els ensenyen els mitjans per saber què és el que ens atrau a la gent i d’ací manipulen la paraula per aconseguir el que volen i d’això també s’aprofitaven els sofistes.

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Enviado por Anonymous (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 21st, 2006, 23:51

Enric que he tingut moltes faltes...

SÒCRATES I ELS SOFISTES:

Sócrates va ser el primer gran filòsof que va nàixer a Atenes. Era una persona molt enigmàtica,és a dir misteriosa,no va escriure res de filosofia mai i en canvi es considera un dels filòsofs més importants.
Des del temps de Sócrates,Atenes va ser el centre cultural del món grec. La filosofía va prendre una nova orientació. Ara,l’interés es centrava en l’home i el seu lloc dins de la societat. Per als atenesos era molt important el domini de l’art de la paraula,per dir les coses d’una manera més convincent. Aleshores van aparèixer els sofistes, que van ser els primers en cobrar per ensenyar. La paraula sofista vol dir sàvia i intel•ligent.Els sofistes van decidir reflexionar sobre l’home i els seu lloc dins la societat.
Sócrates no pretenia instruir a la gent,en lloc de sermonejar,discutia (al contrari que els sofistes,que es basaven més a sermonejar). Ell deia que el coneixement ha de venir d’un mateix. Va ser acussat per introduir “nous déus” i “corrompre a la joventut” .Això com de no creure en els déus acceptats. Valorava més la conciència i la veritat,que no la vida. Si alguna cosa tenen en comú els sofistas i Sócrates és que tots dos es van interessar per l’home i el seu lloc dins de la societat,però Sócrates no estava d’acord amb aquets,ja que no es considerava un d’aquets; majorment perque no es considerava savi,al contrari, ell deia que era ignorant:”només sé que no sé res”. A més no ensenyava a canvi de diners.A diferència que els sofistes,creia que l’habilitat per distinguir entre què és bo i què és dolent es troba en la raó de les persones, i no en la societat.

Si comparem els sofistes i Sòcrates amb la televisió veurem que actualment el que passava antigament amb aquests dos ara està molt present,per exemple en els discusos polítics,però jo em vaig a centrar en els anuncis.
Entrant en la publicitat podem dir que aquesta utilitza molts mecanismes de convenció per a que la gent compre els seus productes. Entre un d’aquets mecanismes està l’art de la paraula, que mitjançant aquesta ens manipulen i ens convencen. Si saps parlar bé,pots aconseguir moltes coses,diguent veritat o diguent mentires. Pots saber parlar bé i mentir que aquest és el cas de la publicitat; supose que els ensenyen els mitjans per saber què és el que ens atrau a la gent i d’ací manipulen la paraula per aconseguir el que volen i d’això també s’aprofitaven els sofistes.

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Enviado por Arantxa Mares 1er batxillerat B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 22nd, 2006, 15:19

Vaig a parlar de PRÓDICO:
Va nàixer a la ciutat jònica de Yulis,en Ceos(Cícladas), aproximadament en el 460(o 470)a. de C.Aristòfanes, en "Las nubes",,li diu "metereosofista", és a dir, expert en astronomía.Va ser un sofista educador en l'art de triomfar en la política, i un mestre del llenguatge.A Pródico se li atribuix la fàbula de "Heracle en la encrucijada", on es relata la dificultat d'elecció entre dos models possibles de vida:un virtuos i altre hedonista i placenter.A Heracles se li aproximen dos dones, la Virtud i el Vici.La primera ofereix una vida austera,esforçada i sencilla.La segona una agradable existència dedicada a la ociosidad i els plaers.Pródico optarà per elegir la virtud,mantenent una postura antihedonista.Respecte a la religió, se li atribuix una teoría naturalista sobre l'origen de la religió: els homens primitius divinizaren els fenòmens útils i beneficiosos per a la vida.Això permet intuir la possibilitat de que fòra ateu.

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Enviado por Arantxa Mares 1er batxillerat B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 22nd, 2006, 15:25

(SEGONA PART)
La postura de Pródico d'elegir la virtud i no lo plaenter em fa relacionar-ho en la televisió amb els programes de cor, de premsa rosa, la que es dediquen a investigar la vida dels famosos per a parlar la majoria de vegades basura d'ells,amb els programes com Telediaris,programes de política, documentals, etc.Aquest programes són programes que poden ajudar-te a creixer com a persones, que poden ajudar-te en un futur per les coses que diuen,que poden ocorrir-te a tu i aleshores pots saber com solucionar-los o afrontar-los.Aquests programes estarien relacionats amb la virtud.Però en canvi els programes de cor, de premsa rosa estarien relacionats amb l'hedonisme,amb lo plaenter...perquè no t'ajuden a creixer com a persones.Atu no t'ajuda per a res el que façen els famosos entre ells.I amb aquestos programes el que volen és que tu t'anganxes a ells per tal de que tinguen audiència.Busquen el teu "plaer"amb les barbaritats que diuen dels famosos.

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Enviado por Borja Valencia Moreno 1º BAT B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 22nd, 2006, 18:59

VOY A HABLAR DE LOS SOFISTAS Y SÓCRATES
La palabra sophistes significaba maestro en sabiduría. Como tales se presentaban estos señores que andaban de lugar en lugar, participaban en la política y cobraban por sus lecciones. Sabían o simulaban saber de todo: astronomía, geometría, aritmética, fonética, música, pintura. Pero su ciencia no buscaba la verdad sino la apariencia de saber porque ésta reviste de autoridad.
Enseñaban la areté(traducida generalmente por virtud, "lo que es propio de”).La primera exigencia de esa areté era el dominio de las palabras para ser capaz de persuadir a otros. A través de las palabras podemos manipular o convencer. Si eres muy hábil al hablar, puedes convencer a la gente, aunque digas la verdad o no, eso es lo que sucede en los anuncios, con los políticos o también con los periodistas que posteriormente hablaré de ellos.
Los sofistas No eran, pues, propiamente filósofos pero tenían en común una actitud que sí puede llamarse filosófica: el escepticismo y relativismo. No creían que el ser humano fuese capaz de conocer una verdad válida para todos. Cada quien tiene "su" verdad.
Sócrates Nació en Atenas, el año 470 A. C.,. Su vida fue filosofar y enseñar. Contemporáneo de los sofistas, muchos creyeron que era un sofista más, pero era exactamente lo contrario. Nunca intervino en la política. No pronunciaba discursos. No escribió nada. Según él, nunca fue maestro de nadie. Simplemente se dedicaba a conversar con quien quería conversar con él; creía que la sabiduría se adquiere en el intercambio vivo de la conversación, haciéndose preguntas y buscando juntos respuestas. Así y sólo así enseñó a pensar, a buscar la verdad y a saber que es posible alcanzarla. A diferencia de los sofistas, no cobraba por sus enseñanzas.
Desde muy joven llamó la atención de los que lo rodeaban por la agudeza de sus razonamientos y su facilidad de palabra
Como los sofistas, hablaba y enseñaba sobre la areté, pero mientras los sofistas decían que no podemos conocer nada Sócrates enseñaba que la areté era conocimiento. Enseñaba que la areté de cualquier actividad o posición comienza por conocer su fin, su propósito.
Los Sofistas i Sócrates se podrían comparar con los periodistas de programas de televisión como el corazón, a tu lado... La profesión de estos periodistas es la de informar i decir la verdad. Algunos periodistas hacen fotos, toman información de gente famosa y después van a la tele a decir mentiras, gracias a su habilidad de expresarse, de hablar, la gente se cree la información que transmiten i piensa mal de dichos famosos, como por ejemplo en el caso de Belen Esteban que le hicieron una foto tirando un cosa en un contenedor, i en la tele aida decia que estaba buscando drogas. También se hacen montajes para que la gente se crea lo que està pasando en la tele, i se divierta.

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Enviado por Iván Navarro Arjona 1º BAC - sociales (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 22nd, 2006, 19:09

-> TRASÍMACO Nació en Calcedonia de Bitinia (Colonia de Megara), en el Bósforo, aproximadamente en el año 450 aC. Fué un excelente retórico y orador, interesado fundamentalmente por la enseñanza de la ética y la política.
-Trasímaco mantuvo una postura realista que afirmaba que "la justicia es el interés del más fuerte. Las leyes son dictaminadas por los que ejercen el poder con vistas a su propio beneficio o conveniencia. La justicia es aquello que beneficia, interesa y conviene al gobierno establecido, y, por lo tanto, beneficia al más fuerte.

-> La teoria de Trasímaco está muy relacionada con la televisión. La televisión seria hoy en día el medio de comunicación que gobierna sobre el resto. A la televisión no le interesa el mostrar lo justo y lo real (la mayoría de veces) sino que busca su propio beneficios. Establece unas normas ( estereotipos, imagenes de la realidad...) que nosotros asimilamos sin darnos cuenta, y hace que pensemos que son estas las verdaderas, las mejores, las justas. Esto estaría relacionado con la afirmación de Trasímaco, " la justicia es el interés del más fuerte". A nosotros nos introducen esas normas y las consideramos las justas, sin que las cuestionemos (almenos la mayoría) igual que un gobierno/dictador introduce sus leyes sin ser cuestionadas. Estas normas/leyes, aparte de no ser reales, buenas o justas la muchas de veces, benefician directa o indirectamente a la televisión/gobernante.

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Enviado por laura peris puchades 1º batx (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 22nd, 2006, 19:11

ROUSSEAU:
Per fer un breu resum de la vida de Rousseau diria que va nàixer en Ginebra el 28 de juny de 1712, aquest perteneixia a una família econòmica modesta i de religions protestants de la que va recibir una deficient educacció. Després d’un temps treballant d’ajudant de grabador, fugí degut als seus violents modals, deixant Ginebra i vagabundejant per diferents ciutats fins arribar a Annency. On va ser acollit per Mme.de Warens, que pretenia que Rousseau traicionara el protestanisme, per el que l’envià a Turín per ser batexat. Allí es guanyà la vida temporalment contractat per la dona d’un terner. Estudià música, filosofía, química, matematiques i llatí.
Després d’haber fet moltes coses en la seua vida en 1768, Rousseau es va casar amb Théresè, i en 1778 va morir, súbitament, haguent sospexes de suïcidi.
Bé, ara per anar a la comparació en la televisió puc dir-vos que quan Rousseau analitzà el transit del hipotetic estat de natura, al estat social com una degeneració, producte de els desigualtats socials que sorgien amb la propietat privada, i el dret per a protegir-la. Totes les lleis establides en al societat són sempre les lleis que defenen al poderós, al ric i al dret, han creat un abisme entre dos “classes”, la clase dels propietaris, poderosos i dels amos, enfront de la clase dels no propietaris, pobres i esclaus. Aquesta comparació és exacta amb la televisió privada i la pública perquè al parlar de la privada podríem dir que és la classe dels propietaris, dels poderosos i dels amos; els canals d’aquesta televisió privada estan sempre en continua “rinya” per vore qui té més audiència i qui no, per això sempre fiquen programacions molt paregudes i a les mateixes hores. Aquesta televisió te molta comparació amb la televisió pública perquè aquesta tal vegada es podria dir que t’informa més sobre el que ocorre (informatius) als nostres pobles tot més detallat i no tan en general com en els informatius de la privada; i malgrat tot això, a la televisió pública sempre se li dona menys importància que a la privada i sempre he pensat que no deuria de ser així, que no tindria que haver classes de televisió i que totes foren igual, però és clar, cadascuna amb la seua programació diferent.
Amb tot açò vuic dir que, igual que Rousseau fa el contracte social que es un pacte de la comunitat amb l’individu i de l’individu amb la comunitat per poder fer que tot vaja millor, entre les televisions també es podria fer una classe de contracte social entre elles perquè així tal vegada no hi hauria tanta discriminació entre cada tipus de televisió.

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Enviado por ester caballero reinaldo 1batx b (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 22nd, 2006, 19:57

El meu comentari va anar dirigit a Hipias.

Aquest va nàixer a Élide i viatjà a nombroses ciutats dòries, sobre tot a Esparta i Sicília. Pertany a la primera generació dels sofistes i la major font d’ aquest sofista procedeix de Plató. Era fill de Diopites i contemporani de Sòcrates. Les seues ensenyances tenien una àmplia gama de sabers com per exemple: matemàtiques, geometria, astronomia, història, filosofia i poesia. La seua gran obra era Synagog. Hipias acceptà la distinció de physis i nómos pròpia de la sofística i va defendre a la naturalesa front a nómoi, sense optar per això una postura egoista. La seua defensa altruista per la naturalesa donà origen a la idea de la unitat de la espècie humana: per naturalesa som iguals. Lo nómoi són, les convencions socials, les causants de les distincions per raça, riquesa, naixement o status social. Hipias acceptà també la l’ existència de lleis divines, que si tenien caràcter de universalitat. Aquestes són aquelles que són acceptades per tots el homes de tos el països, i per tant han de tenir un origen diví. Entre aquestes lleis trobem el venerar als déus i honrar als pares. Hipias va ser qui assumí la direcció efectiva dels assumptes públics. Una de les actuacions principals de Hipias va ser la introducció de d’un nou sistema monetari a Atenes. El període de tranquil•litat es va acabar amb l’ assassinat de Hiparco, el seu germà i col•lega. A partit d’aquell moment Hipias va establir un règim de terror, desconfiant de tots i de tot.

Segons el que diu de la defensa altruista per naturalesa que donà origen a la idea de la unitat de la espècie humana: per naturalesa tots som iguals, es podria comparar amb la televisió perquè també és tot igual. Tots els canals intenten el mateix encara que si que és cert que en els públics potser t t’aporten més informació de les coses que en la pública que pel contrari es basa més en programes “basura” etc... encara que al cap i a la fi tots es basen en el mateix, és a dir en allò que els interessa perquè el que volen és aconseguir el més alt benefici per a ells.

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Enviado por SANDRA MARCO 1er BATX B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 23rd, 2006, 17:47

Vaig a parlar sobre plató:
Plató nasqué a Atenes en el 427 a.C. La seua família pertanyia a l’aristocracia atenesa. Amb 21 anys va passar a formar part del cercle de Sòcrates, el qual va produir un gran canvi en les seues orientacions filosòfiques. Després de la mort de Sòcrates, Plató es va refugiar a Mègara on va començar a escriure els seus diàlegs filosòfics.Més tard, va viatjar durant deu anys per Egipte i diferents llocs d'Àfrica i Itàlia. En Magna Grècia es va fer amic d'Arquitas de Tàrent i va conéixer les idees dels seguidors de Parmènides. A Sicília va voler influir en la política de Dionisi I i el va intentar convencer d'aplicar algunes de les seves idees filosòfico-polítiques. Per aquesta causa va ser empresonat.Aníceris de Círene va reconéixer a Plató en la venda d'esclaus i el va comprar per a tornar-li la llibertat. Després de recobrar la seua llibertat Plató va comprar una finca en els afores d'Atenes, on va fundar un centre especialitzat en l'activitat filosòfica i cultural, al qual va donar el nom de L'Acadèmia.

Aquest filosof es pregunta pel significat de la justícia i la naturalesa de la societat justa, i per contestar aquests interrogants formula una original teoria del coneixement, il•lustrada per mitjà del Mite de la caverna, segons el qual són dos els nivells de realitat:
-El món de les coses, de les aparences, de les ombres, que es perceben amb els sentits. Aquest és el món de la matèria, compost d'objectes imperfectes i subjectes en contínua mutació o canvi.
-El món de les idees, de la llum, totalment immaterial, al qual s'arriba a través del camí del coneixement. És el món de les formes ideal, perfectes i universals.

Bé la televisio en conjunt es podria comparar amb el primer nivell de realitat. Al nivell de les aparences,on alguns programes aparenten serietat claretat i que de vegades t’imposen idees o valors i no t’adones i el de les ombres, on les noticies et mostren allò que més els convé i amaguen el que no.

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Enviado por neus planells 1c (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 23rd, 2006, 19:02

Vaig a comparar a Sócrates amb la televiso de la actualitat.
Sócrates pensava que la moral y la politica era el correcte i just. Aleshores jo pense, si per a ell la moral i la justicia eren molts importants entonces ell deuria estar totelment en contra de la televisio, ja que en la televisió la moraliatat no esun punt a fovor pero entonces tambè deuria estar en contra de la societat de avui.Perque la nostra societat es injusta, disrima al demes i no li te respecte a res.En conclusió Sócrates no avera acceptat la televisió ni la societat d'avui. ¿Si vinguera un nou Sócrates al nostre temps que pasaria en la televisió?. ?Li influiria a la gent la seua forma de pensar igual que pasa en la grecia clásica?.

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Enviado por javier cutanda 1º batx (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 23rd, 2006, 21:29

Lucio Anneo SÈNECA naixquè en Còrdova aproximadament a l’any 4 a.de .c. perteneixia a la classe noble. De salud dèbil en l’any 25, Sèneca viatjà a Egipte aprofitant que l’home de la seva tia Cavo Galerius era perfecte en eixe païs que li prengué contacte amb la cultura egipcia d’aquesta època data la seua primera obra “De situ et sacris Aegypti” llibre que no s’ha conservat.
Cap a l’any 31 marxà a Roma i començà la seua carrera política i orador, obtenguent el càrrec de cuestor en l’any 33 i el de cònsul un poc més tard, provocant cels a l’emperador Caligula que planetja matar-lo. En aquesta època Sèneca contrau matrimoni,en el qual naix el seu primer fill Marco Anneo.
Destapada la conjura de Cayo Carpunio Pison contra l’emperador Neró al que pretenia assassinar, aquest ordenà que Sèneca es suïcidara el qual compleix el dictamen tallan-se les venes e ingerint cicuta per acelerar la seua mort, al 19 d’abril del 65.

Sèneca parla del estoicisme i diu que és una doctrina filosòfica basada en els estoics que es la lliberació de les passions la que permiteix a l’espírit per alcançar la saviesa; aquest també diu que mitjançant l’esforç es pot alcançar la virtud, el que seria el mateix dir: “qui algo vol, algo li costa”.

Comparat amb la televisió amb les teories del estoïcisme podem dir que la televisió es sempre el mateix es igual el canal que es retransmeta perquè tota la base es el mateix: telediari, comedia, cor, entreteniment...mentre que l’esforç que fan els canals per conseguir la virtud podria dir que la seua virtud es basa en tindre la màxima audiència mitjançant programes molt pareguts però amb distintes formes de pensar, o de vore els conceptes de la societat i utilitzant distints formes de raonar.

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Enviado por MónicaPérez Pinaya 1 BACH (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 15:36

Voy a hablar de el sofista ANTIFONTE.Fue un sofista contemporáneo de Sócrates algo más joven que Gorgias. Nació en Ramnunte, aproximadamente en el año 411 a.de C. y murió cerca del 480.El fue refinado y culto intelectual, tuvo un despacho en Corinto cerca de Agorá en el que se que anunciaba que se podia curar con las palabras a todos los afligidos (de la misma manera que hoy en dia hacen las clinicas psiquiatricas), segun este sofista las raices de todas esta esnfermedades se encuentra en la mente.El halla la relación con la afirmación de la necesidad del autocontrol y la moderación en la vida.
Fue el defensor de physis frente al nomos.
Las leyes no se fundan en la naturaleza, son convenciones sujetas al cambio continuo. Hay cosa buenas por naturaleza y cosas buenas por nómos. Los hombres debemos seguir los preceptos de la naturaleza antes que los de las leyes.La naturaleza nos empuja a evitar el dolor y buscar el placer.

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Enviado por MónicaPérez Pinaya 1 BACH (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 15:50

Continua:Cuando la búsqueda de placer choca contra las leyes, sólo se seguiran éstas si el no hacerlo nos acarrearía un dolor mayoria,como castigo. Por lo tanto es un hedonismo moderno
La mayoria de la gente es hedonista por que busca su propio placer,mira en las serias las malvadas hacen mucho mal para consegir que el guapo de la serie se fije en ella y como lo consigue haciendo sufrir a la otra persona,pues en la actualidad se ven estas cosas muy frcuentemente,cuando quieres algo y si tu sabes que vas a lastimar a una persona sin dudarlo lo hacen las personas hedonistas, pero aquella que no es hedonista no lo hara.El proposito de una persona es buscar la felicidad pero no a la costa de otra.

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Enviado por Román Tormos (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 16:35

Nació en Calcedonia de Bitinia, en el Bósforo, aproximadamente en el año 450 A.C. Era un excelente retórico y orador, interesado fundamentalmente por la enseñanza de la ética y la política.

Mantuvo una postura realista que afirmava que “La justicia es elinterés del más fuerte. Las leyes no son dictamininadas por los que ejercen el poder con vistas a su propio beneficio o convivencia. La justicia es aquello que beneficia, interesa y conviene al gobierno establecido y por lo tanto beneficia al más fuerte. A Trasímaco no le interesa lo que debería ser la justicia sino lo que realmente es.

Yo comparo la frase de la “justicia es aquello que beneficia al gobierno establecido”. Con el poder que tiene el gobierno de cada país en los medios de comunicación, tanto en la televisión privada como aún más en la televisión publica donde las noticias en contra son enmascaradas y sin darle casi importancia, mientras que las de la oposición son exageradas. Y en las televisiones privadas los que dependen de los directores, el tipo de programa que hacen en las televisiones, en los que quieren difundir sus ideas.

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Enviado por mairena lopez fdez (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 17:55

-PRÓDICO-
Nació en la ciudad jónica de Yulis, en Ceos (Cícladas), aproximadamente en el 460.
fue un maestro del lenguaje.
A Pródico se le atribuye la fábula de Heracles en la encrucijada, donde se relata la dificultad de elección entre dos modos posibles de vida: uno virtuoso y otro hedonista y placentero.
Pródico optará por elegir la virtud, manteniendo una postura antihedonista.
Se le atribuye a este sofista una teoría naturalista sobre el origen de la religión lo que hace pensar que fuera ateo.
para hacer la relación que tiene con la televisión me centraré en le teoria de la encrucijada en la que tiene que elegir entreel modo de vida virtuoso o el hedonista y placentero.
Pues esta teoria se puede ver reflejada en los programas del corazon en la que la gente va ha contar historias que tal vez puedan ser reales o no ,aqui abria que elegir en ir y contarlas y que te pagaran una cantidad de dinero;que seria el modo fácil y hedonista y ala vez placentero o
elegir la otra opción

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Enviado por mairena lopez (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 18:07

(continuación) que seria la de no ir a contar esas historias ciertas o inciertas,y no ganar ese dinero ,y estas se canviarian por ganar ese dinero con esfuerzo trabajando aunque estarias cansado pero seria un a opción más intelectual,virtuoso,y a la vez honrada aunque tuvieras que esforzarte el doble.
tambien se puede ver reflejada esta teoria en la forma de reacciónar los famosos frente a los periodistas (que muchas veces molestan para que el famoso reaccione mal y ganar ellos dinero) la acción hedonista del periodista seria provocar para que el famoso reaccionara con violencia y así podria vender más ''enterevistas''y en este caso ganaria más dinero ,y la aqcción virtuoso seria cumplir con su trabajo sin que interviniera ninguna provocación aunque no ganara tanto dinero como de la otra forma;pero tambien se podria aplicar la teoria de la parte del famoso:la acción hedonista seria mentir en algunas entrevistas para atraer al publico o seguidores y ganar dinero, o decir la verdad aunq

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Enviado por mairena lopez (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 18:13

(continuación)fuera negativa pero cumpliria con su papel aunque tambien sabe que podrian hablar mal de este famoso y tambien podria perder admiradores,pero seria la acción más virtuoso e inteligente.
Aunque he representado el placer como el dinero tambien hay otros valores que podria tener el placer,es decir, el placer no es solo el dinero pero como en la televisión es así como se representa este he utilizado el dinero como el placer buscado y obtenido o no.

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Enviado por Jesús Orts Peris (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 21:54

Sabem que en la vida de Sòcrates el seu objetiu com a filòsof va ser complir la misió de buscar dins de si mateixa i dels demés.
Per a Sòcrates l`alma era alló per lo que ens califica de savis, de bojos, de bons o roins, etc...Ell considerava l´alma com una combinació de la intel.ligència i del carácter de cadascú.

La seua teoria del coneixement tenia que tindre com objecte la veritat real, contrastada amb el que és l´apariència, a més identificà lo real amb la esfera ideal de la exitència en oposició al món físic. A més pensava que les proposicions derivades de la experiencia tenen un grau de probabilitat. L`experiencia són fenòmens cambiants del món físic, per lo tant els objectes de la experiencia no són objectes propis del coneixement, són ombres de les formes eternes, sols elles poden ser objecte del coneixement verdader; També la percepció de les seues ombres, és a dir, el món tal i com es veu i sent pel mitjà tecnològic televisiu

La meta del filòsof, és conèixer les formes eternes e instruir als demés en aquets coneixement.

Així donç arrive a la conclusió de que la televisió es una font espontanea de idees ja siguen d`apariencia o verdaderes; també té el seu espai dins de la vida de qualsevol sofista per a donar la seua opinió desde un punt de vista filosòfic.

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Enviado por Jesús Peñaranda Sangüesa (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 23:05

El filòsof que he elegit a sigut Gorgias de Leontinos. Va naixer a Leontinos (Sicilia) aproximadament al 490 a.C. i va morir amb mes de cent anys. Fou ambaixador en Atenes de la seua ciutat quan ja tenia seixanta anys. Era de la primera generació dels sofistes, i entre les seus obres destaquen: Encomio a Helena, Defensa de Palamedes, discurso Olimpico i el tractat Sobre el no-ser. Fonamentava les seues ensenyances en l’art de la retorica.
Per a fer aquest blog en vaig a centrar en la seua frase: “El no-ser no és. Si fora alguna cosa, cauriem en la contradicció de dir que el que no-es, es i no es a la vegada”, i la seua conclusió: el ser no existe. El ser va ser tot alló que apareix a la televisió, com poden ser els productes dels anuncis, els concursants del realitis,...
Els productes dels anuncis no són, no existeixen com a tal, ja que no es mostren tal i com son a la relitat. Aleshores alló que es mostra i no correspon a la seua realitat no es, perque tan sols es una visió aproximada e influenciada per el autor del anunci. Em base en dir que no existeix perque alló que no és tal i com és a la realitat, no és, ja que no representa una visió real i objectiva de si mateixa, sino una subjectiva com ja he dit avanç. Quan tu et fiques el desodorant de Axe no s’et tiren les ties damunt teua volent fer-te coses boniques; aleshores estem parlant de una cosa que no és, ja que el producte anunciat no es tal i com es de veritat, sino una interpretació de la realitat. En fi, el anunci que apareix a la tele no és, però no vull dir que el producte reial no siga, sinó que les coses que apareixen a la tele no són.
Per altra banda tampoc existeixen els concursants ni la gent que apareix a la televisió. Quan ú es troba davant de una camara mai oblida on està, davant d’una camara. Aquest artefacte significa que tot el que grabe serà vist per la gent. Una persona mai diu a la cara el que verdaderament de cor opina sobre un altra, així que menys davant la televisió, exposant-se a l’ira i l’afan incondicional de la gent. Els “triunfitos” o el gran hermanos mai obliden que estan a un programa, el que comporta que el seu comportament estigui condicionat per aquest. Per això que no intenten enfadar-se, sempre estan en campanya electoral per a que no els expulsen, etc. I aleshores entra la mateixa idea de abans, tot alló que no és tal i com és a la realitat, no es. Físicament són, ja que són persones normals, però pel que fa al seu comportament no són.
I fins açì tot pareixer una contradicció en sí mateixa, però cal que explique unes coses. Per a mi tot allò que és es unicament allò que apareix a la vida reial, perque, quin sentit te algo que no pot apareixer a la vida reial. Sóc molt practic, i per això mateix me es molt dificil creure en un deu que no te ningun sentit practic a la vida. Açò espere que explique un poc les conclusions a les que he arribat avanç, ja que per a mi les coses que apareixen a la tele si no representen la realitat no tenen ningun sentit. Es com si foren fantasia, i aquesta sols pot tenir cabuda dins la ment i la imaginació.
En conclusió, allò que apareix a la tele no és, ja que no representa la realitat i tan sols és una visió parcial i moltes vegades interesada de la realitat, ja que seria imposible ensenyar tota la realitat a la tele per motius polítics, morals, de temps, etc. Aleshores tot el que apareix a la tele no és, perque per a que poguera ser hauria de representar la realitat, cosa imposible. I com diu una famosa cançò Queen, “The show must go on”, perque la tele no es mes que el show inspirat en la realitat.

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Enviado por Katy Sousa (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 24th, 2006, 23:53

Vaig a parlar de Calicles, rebujava la moralitat convencional i defen otra llei basada en la llei del més fort
diu que eixa llei és la que impera a la natura i que realment procedeix

d’ella.Fer el mal diu aquest filòsof pot ser vergonyos des del punt de vista dels convencionalismos socials ,però eixos concencionalismes procedeixen d’una moral gragaria,establerta pels dèbils per a defensar-se dels foros.Els debils, es junten per a modelar i esclavitzar als millors i proclamen
com a justes les accions convenients per a ells,i diu que els foros saben bé que,si fa falta ,poden cometre una injusticia amb els altres,perquè és la justicia del més fort. Ha parlat d’aquest filosòf perquè en la televisió trobem exemples d’això en per exemple en el monopoli que fa la televisió,on els grans productors de les gran televisions del món manipulen i donen les notícies que volen (com els convé),on no diesen oportunitats a altres corrents alternatives d’informació i on no es pot controlar el que dicen,ja que tenen molt de poder.

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Enviado por David Rubio (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 25th, 2006, 16:17

Vaig a parlar sobre le sofista Hipias.
Va ser un filòsof que va pertanyer a la primera generació de sofistes, va nàixer a Élide i la majoria del seu coneixement procedia de Plató.
Aquest sofista defenia la naturalessa o physis contra el nomos i va dir que per naturaleza tots el éssers humans erem iguals a banda també parlaba sobre les lleis convencionals o divines.
Aquesta idea seua de les lleis vol dir que les lleis convencionals son les que han sigut creades per els homes per a dir que espot i que no es pot fer, que se poden modificar continuament i les lleis divines son les lleis universals que son aceptades per tots el homes i no es poden canviar.
A partir d’aquesta explicació jo relacione les lleis convencionals amb el nomos per que som nosaltres els que les fem i les lleis divines amb la physis per que son les que tots tenim que aceptar-les per natura.
Això ho relacione amb la televisió de manera que les lleis convencionals o nomos serien el tipus de programes que a uns els agraden i a uns altres no o que s’emitixen en un lloc i en un altre no i les lleis universals serien totes les necesitats que cobrix la televisió com la d’informació que esta present sempre i que tots em de veure per a informar-nos de la situació del mòn i de l’entorn que ens rodeja.

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Enviado por Rachael 1ºBAT. C (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 25th, 2006, 22:57

Antifonte fue un filósofo y matemático griego que vivió del 411 a.C.- 480,
Hijo de padres aristocráticos, creció para convertirse en un hombre culto y refinado.
Obtuvo su gran reputación escribiendo discursos por encargo para otros, fue contemporáneo de Sócrates, con el que tuvo la oportunidad de tener varias discusiones.

Pertenecía a la escuela sofista, por lo que se consideraba sabio y creo un tipo de psicoanálisis en el que afirmaba que podía curar a cualquier enfermo mediante las palabras, ya que según el toda enfermedad tenia sus raíces en la mente. El mundo de la verdad lo identificaba con la naturaleza y el mundo humano con lo falso.
Para el la ley era una cosa artificial que llegaba a considerar perjudicial ya que era contraria a la naturaleza humana.
Antifonte dijo en su obra "La Verdad" o "Sobre la Verdad”:
“Respetamos y veneramos a los que son de padres nobles, y no respetamos ni veneramos a los que no son de noble casa. En esto nos tratamos unos a otros como bárbaros, puesto que por naturaleza somos todos de igual manera en todo, bárbaros y griegos.”
Ello mostraba su lado más naturalista y también su crítica a las leyes que consideraba mudables y no siempre justas y demasiado unidas a la voluntad humana. Por ello no eran correctas ya que solo las cumplimos porque nos dan miedo las consecuencias de nuestros actos. Su solucion a ello era que los hombres nos guiáramos por la naturaleza antes que por las leyes, porque la naturaleza busca el placer frente al dolor, lo que contrarían las leyes ya que siguiendo las leyes buscamos el placer propio si esto no contradice las leyes, algo que va en contra de nuestra naturaleza.

En conclusión, Antifonte era un sofista, hedonista moderado, que anteponía la naturaleza a las leyes e incluso psicoanalista pero que no importando nada de esto, fue condenado a muerte cuando se descubrió su participación al frente de la revolución oligárquica.

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Enviado por Rachael (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 25th, 2006, 23:17

Aplicando su obra: “la Verdad” a la actualidad podríamos mirar a las noticias, en ellas vemos cada día problemas relacionados con ETA, el terrorismo islámico, el tiempo en España, la mayoría del tiempo enfocando a EE.UU. Siempre se enseñan las cosas que se creen que van a interesar a los espectadores y muchas veces se olvidan los marginados del mundo, aquellos sin techo o vagabundos que estarán tirados en medio de una calle mientras nosotros nos comamos la cena de navidad, o aquellos pobres niños hambrientos que todos los días mueren en sud-África y comparten unas décimas de segundo en las cabeceras de las noticias frente al interesantísimo discurso de George Bush que parece repetirse semana tras semana, o incluso los enfrentamientos públicos entre Rajoy y Zapatero frente a las ya olvidadas victimas del tsunami en Asia que seguramente aun no habrán podido recuperarse, pero eso yo no lo sabría ya que no informan sobre ello.

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Enviado por Anna Devís 1r Batx. A (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 26th, 2006, 16:58

PROTÀGORES:
Tot i que ja han parlat d’aquest filòsof m’agradaria fer una xicoteta reflexió sobre la seua teoria:

_Biografia____________________________
Protàgores va naixer a Abereda l’any 485 a.c. Cap a mitjans de segle es va instal•lar a Atenes, establint amistat amb Pericles. Va ser acusat per impietat d’ATEISME i potser també de blasfèmia a causa del seu llibre “Sobre els déus” que no es possible saber que déus existeixen ni quina es la seua forma o naturalesa, es va veure obligat a abandonar Atenes i a refugiar-se a Sicilia. Va morir en un naufragi al 410 a.c.

_Teoria_______________________________
Com a sofista que va ser Protàgores defensava el relativisme en front a l’absolutisme.(teoria que va ser suportada per alguns filòsofs com Plató)
Una de les seues tesis fa referència a la contraposició que hi entre NÓMOS ≠ PHYSIS:
• PHYSIS: són les lleis de la NATURA Aquestes son permanents (invariables) i universals. Per tant són el contrari al relativisme que defensaven els sofistes. No dependrien de cap intencio, lloc, voluntat etcètera simplement serien iguals per a tota la natura.
• NÓMOS: són les lleis SOCIALS i morals. Aquestes són el resultat del pacte i la conveniència dels individus. Per crear-la no es basem ni en la natura ni en l’individu sinó en el conjunt dels éssers que viuen en la mateixa societat.


Per açò podem explicar el caràcter variable de les lleis (van variant segons l’època n’apareixen noves i en desapareixen unes altres). També la diferència que hi ha entre les diferents zones de la mateixa comunitat.

____LA TELEVISIÓ____________________
A la historia de la televisió els programes o el tipus de informacions que ens venen ha canviat molt. Si férem un anàlisis trobaríem moltíssimes diferencies. La teoria abans explicada podria ser aplicada des de diferents punts de vista centrant-se en determinats aspectes. Personalment vaig a aplicar-la sobre la INFORMACIO TELEVISIVA:
Per a Protagores les notícies que ens donarien tindrien que ser al igual que les lleis com una mena de “pacte” entre tota la comunitat. No poden informar-nos tant sols dels que a uns pocs individus els interesse.
->P.EX: A l’orient mitjà o a cadenes amb musulmanes la informació que transmetran estarà decantada cap als seus ideals. En aquest cas la no difusió d’imatges del seu déu o que parlen de successos de la zona estaria totalment justificada. Es el que vol tota la comunitat i per tant es un pacte establert.
->Pel que fa referència a la informació que dona la cadena de televisió, deixant a banda el que vol la comunitat, serien les idees de la pròpia cadena. Açó no es justifica per la teoria de Protàgores “ les lleis no s’estableixen mitjançant la natura ni L’INIDIVDU (cadena) sinó la comunitat”. La comunitat voldria assabentar-se tant de les coses bones com de les males sense Deixar a banda quella informació que el president del canal per convicció deixe amagada.

En aquest sentit serà el criteri de la utilitat per tothom el que determine que lleis que s’adoptaran i un cop adoptades serà d’obligat compliment.

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Enviado por tamara eulogio sánchez (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 26th, 2006, 18:36

Vaig a paralr sobre Kant.
Kant va nàixer a Königsberg, va asistir al Collegium Fridericianum dirigit per un pietista, que és un seguidor de la filosofia dogmàtica. Per a ver anat a aquesta escola de major Kant no va asistir mai a l'Esglesia. Kant va ingresar en la universitat, i un profesor el va iniciaren la lectura de Newton i altres autors anglesos. El 1755 es gradua amb u estudi sobre el foc. Va impartir classes de física, matemàtiques, geogràfia, cosmologis i teologia. Kant entrega el seu tercer tractat sobre la menadologia física. Encara que no aconsegueix res. Obté el segon premi de l'academia de les ciencies de Berlín amb l'obra: estudi sobnre l'evidencia dels principis de la teologia i la moral natura. Rosseau té una gran influència sobre Kant. al 1979 es retira de l'activitat docent, i un any després publica la antropologia desde un punt pragmàtic. I el 12 de febrer de 1804 mor.

Kant té la teoria del coneixement que es basa en :
1- El cristicisme kantia. Els usos teórics i pràctics de la raó.
2- El ús teóric de la raó.
1- El problema de la metafísica. Els juici de la ciencia.
2- Els juicis sintéctics del priori.
3- La crítica de la raó pura. Estètica trascendental.
4- La crítica de la raó pura. Analítica trascendental.
5- La crítica de la raó pura. Dialéctica trascendental.
També coneixem l'ética Kantina:
1- Les étiques materials i les étiques formals.
2- Étiques heteronomes i autonomes.
3- La llei moral, el imperatiu categóric
4- Altres formulacions sobre l'imperatiu categóric.
5- Els postulats de la raó pràctica.
Crec que una de les coses més importants sobre Kant va ser l'imperatiu categóric. Ell va fer aquetsa llei per a que fora una llei pràctica amb les característiques de necessitat, universalitat i objectivitat. És a dir la llei moral es presenta en forma d'impertaiu, en forma d'obligació i ordre. I hi ha dos classes d'imperatiu:
L'imperatiu categóric i l'imperatiu hipotètic.

Vaig a comparar a Kant amb els programmes del cor, ja que aquests programmes crec que no tenen ética i Kant va fer com una teoria de l'ética.
Aquests programmes crec no tenen ética, ja que es fiquen en tothom, i lis dona igual si lis van a fer mal, ja que no tenen moral, i aquestes dues coses són molt importants per una persona. Aquests programmes tenien que mirar un poc mé per terceres persones, perquè són aquestes qui ixen perdent perquè es claben en la seua vida com qui no vol, i una persona que té ética i moral, sap que pasar-se amb una persona de manera inmoderada no està bé, i aquestes persona haurien de llegir alguna cpsas que tractara sobre aquets tema i aveure si aprénen alguna cosa.

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Enviado por samuel bousnina (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 26th, 2006, 23:13

Nació en Calcedonia de Bitinia (colonia de Megara), en el Bósforo, aproximadamente en el año 450 a.de C.Era un excelente retórico y orador, interesado fundamentalmente por la enseñanza de la ética y la política. Trasimaco buscaba armonia entre los partidos para evitar el ansia de poder cosa que causa luchas partidiarias.
Trasímaco mantuvo una postura realista que afirmaba que la justicia es el interés del más fuerte.Esto significa que toda ley esta dictada por el o los que ejercen y tienen mas poder.. ATrasímaco no le interesa lo que debería ser la justicia sino lo que realmente es.
Trasimaco decia, debajo de todo el tejemaneje del poder nos encontramos siempre con el dominio del fuerte sobre el débil.
Yo diria con la afirmación que dijo este sofista que en la actualidad y relacionandolo con la televisión se podria aplicar en el dominio de audiencia de los canales poderosos y cuando digo poderosos me refiero a telecinco antena 3 que su audiencia destaca con la audiencia que puedan tener otros canales como televisión española que aunque no es privada pero por el mero hecho de ser del estado tendria que tener mas poder y no es asi.Eso explica el dominio del fuerte sobre el debil desde el punto de vista de la audiencia. Porque si en poder economico las hubiera comparado creo que televisión española al ser del estado tendria que ser la mas poderosa y sobreponerse a las demas.

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Enviado por Raquel López Alujer 1r batx B (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 17:01

Vaig a parlar de Críties (ca. 453 - 403 aC)va seun polític, escriptor i sofista grec. Era de noble família, descendent de Soló, Críties va ser oncle matern de Plató. Va ser deixeble de Sòcrates, a què va abandonar després que aquest li hi recriminés haver volgut seduir un jove del cercle dels seus deixebles. Es va dedicar a la política i va ser el més sanguinari dels anomenats Trenta tirans, caracteritzat per la seva furibunda oposició a la democràcia i per la seva posició proespartana. No obstant això, en la seva primera etapa sembla que va ser un destacat alumne de Sòcrates que brillava pel seu talent literari i per un intel·lecte incisiu.

He triat aquest sofista pel fet de que es va separar de Sòcrates perquè aquest li va tirar en cara que havia volgunt aprofitar-se d'un jove del cercle dels seus deixebles. Açò passa molt a la televisió, que dos persones siguen amigues o es duen molt bé, però arriba una circumstància en que una li diu a un altra que el que ha fet no estava bé i deseguida es van a un programa del cor i escomençena a criticar-se les unes a les altres. Aleshores ací tenim un clar exemple de que el que pasa a la societat avui en dia també pasava avans a l'antiguitat, igual que avui en dia els famosos van als programes de televisió a discutir que si tu m'has dit això doncs ara jo et dic allò. Jo crec i no m'estranyaria gens que aquest deixeble que havia sigut un dels primers de Sòcrates fora un dels que a l'hora de condemnar-lo haguera estat en primera fila, ja que les persones són així, avui ets el meu amic y demà el meu enemic. I tot açò per dir una veritat i que l'altra persona no la puga acceptar.

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Enviado por Carlos Puchol Romero. 1º batxiller A (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 17:13

PROTÀGORES

Va ser el primer sofista.Va nàixer a Abdera a l’any 490 abans de Crist i visque en Atenes i a Sicilia. Va morir ofegat després de ser desterrat.
Les seues teories ges conegudes van ser el seu relativisme, el Nómos y Phisis y el seu agnosticisme. Jo vaig a parlar d’aquest últim.
Va ser acusat de impietat i va ser expulsat d’Atenes.Una frase coneguda d’ell diu:” De los dioses no puedo saber ni que son, ni que no son, ni qué aspecto tienen; pues múltiple es lo que me impide saber: tanto la no patencia (de lo ente mismo), como el ser breve de la vida del hombre”. Ací critíca com, es pot observar, que sense veure una cosa i sense tindre proves, no es pot creure en una cosa.També criticà les supersticions i els ritus religiosos, però sempre sent agnosticista i escèptic, i no ateu.

Avui en dia també es descrimina a la gent igual que a Protàgores per la seua religió i per la seua fé. Jo estic d’acord amb aquest sofista ja que no puc creure una cosa sense vore-la ni tindre proves, ja que per creurem una cosa primer l’he de coneixer i valorar-la. Jo no dic que hi haja deu o no, sino que hi ha proves que expliquen coses que se li atribuixen a Deu, perque si. La gent a lo millor se ho creu per quedar-se ges tranquil però jo em crec el que veig i no puc tindre fe cega, ja que aquesta és una actitud molt poc filosòfica.

A la televisió es poden veure com apareixen moltes sectes, on lagent creu cegament en algo o en algú i no acaven molt bé, ja que els lleven els diners i de vegades els fan suicidar-se. També es pot observar que molta gent és descriminada per la seua manera de pensar com Protàgores i açò no està bé, ja que cadascú pensa com vol, i no hi ha que jutjar-lo per açò.

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Enviado por Eva ANdreu Chulvi 1 Batx. A (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 17:39

Abans de començar amb una frase de Sócrates, faré una xicoteta introducció en la que contare un poc de la seua vida. Va naixer a Atenes a l’any 470 a.deC. Dedicà la seua vida a filofofar en públic, és a dir, no cobrava pels seus diàlegs en busca de la veritat amb la gent. Açò va ser un punt a favor pel qual va tindre molts deixebles. Però un punt en contra era: com que ho questionava tot i la manera de parlar era un poc enrevessada, alguna gent deia que era un manipulador i que s’havien d’amagar d’ell. Sócrates ho defensava amb que era jove i no sabia expressar-se bé, però el que devien de jutjar no era la seua forma de parlar sino el que déia.

Vag a parlar sobre una de les frases que deia Sócrates, la qual és: el seu ofici era com el la seua mare “donar a llum”, ell ajudava als homes a parir veritats.
Aquesta frase en un principi té un punt irònic, ja que fa gracia i queda com rebaixant la seua qualitat. Però analitzant-la t’adones que va més enllà. Per començar la seua mare era llevadora, i ell compara ambdos oficis. Com que comare consisitix en traure de dins del cos d’una dona a un bebe i ell intentava tarure de dins de les persones la veritat que cadascú tenia, va establir una relació que li servia per explicar el que volia fer. Per molt insignificant que parega té la seua lògica com ja he explicat abans. Sòcrates no pensava com els sofistes ( no exiteix la veritat, sols opinions), ell creia que cada persona tenia una veritat, i per mitjà de la mayeutica (la ironia i el diàleg) intentava traure-la.
Comparar-ho amb la televisió resulta un poc complicat, ja que aquesta intenta guiar-nos a tot pel mateix camí. Per això de vegades ens manipula, ens amaga informació...i nosaltres debem de tindre una pròpia opinió en la que vem i sapiam jutjar el “bo”i el “mal”. Un poc seria així, la televisió és com si estiguera dins de nosaltres i d’ella intentem traure informació, valors, entreteniment...moltes coses de les quals alguens són positives. El que vuic dir és, la televisió ho seria tot, tota l’informació que nosaltres tenim a l’abast ( sense contar altres mitjans de comunicació com la prensa o l’internet) i a partir d’esta comencem a triar la que nosaltres considerem correctes i útils. La persona seria el mateix, te dins d’ella molta informació que va seleccionant poc a poc i al final és queda amb el que considera oportú.

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Enviado por Mariola Blasco Agote 1rBatx. A (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 17:52

Sócrates
Ell es passa la vida ensenyat als joves, preguntant i parlant amb la gent que considerava sabia, però s’adona que en realitat creien saber més del que, realment, sabien. Aquest pensament d’ignorància el va dur a voler fer vore a les persones el que realment sabien, que era molt poquet. D’això ve la famosa frase “Només sé que no sé res”.
La postura que m’agradaria comentar és la que tenia davant la llei. Ell defenia que el millor per a tots era tenir una justícia on es jutjara a les persones que no seguiren la llei
i així les persones bones serien les que governaren i les millors. Es creia tant aquesta teoria seua que va morir per ella. El van condemnar a mort en teoria per no creure en els Deus i per estar corrompent a la joventut. Ell podria haver escapat amb els seus deixebles però creia que si la llei havia dictat que havia de morir, encara que foren mentires totes les acusacions, això havia de fer. Així que es va prendre el verí i va passar a la història com un gran filòsof.
La comparació televisiva que faig amb aquesta postura de Sócrates, defendre els teus ideals fins a la mort, és la dels programes de debat, cadascun exposa la postura i la defèn fins a la fi del programa encara que per a ell seria més convenient, moltes vegades, estar a favor de una altra perquè el beneficiaria més.

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Enviado por Maria Baselga 1Batx (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 19:36

Gorgias de Leontinos
Gorgias va nàixer a Leontinos (Sicilia) en torn a l’any 485 i va morir a Tesalia, ja amb cent anys, a l’any 380 aproximadament.
Va ser un savi amb grans dotes oratories, pel que va ejercir una gran influència en altres pensadors grecs, com Sócrates.
Entre les seues obres escrites destaquen:
-manuals de retòrica; “Encomi a Helena” i “Defensa de Palamedes”.
-nombrosos discursos polítics, epidíctics, etc.: “Horacio fúnebre” “Discurs Olímpic”.
-va escriure també un tratat anomenat “Sobre la natura o sobre el no-ser”.
Al llibre titulat “Sobre la natura o sobre el no-ser” desentvolupa tres arguments successius. El primer, és que res existeix; el segon, que, encara en el caso de que algo exista, és inaprensible per a l’home; i el tercer, que, encara quan fuera cognoscible, no pot ser comunicat ni explicat a altres.
Dir que totes les coses són inexplicables per a l’home és com dir que l’home no té suficientment desentvolupat la seua raò per a entendre-les i per a conciliar-les.
Molts polítics als seus discursos abans de les eleccions, per exemple, diuen el que volen escoltar els seus “seguidors” sense adonar-se, o sense voler adonar-se, que eixes coses que prometen moltes vegades no es cumpliran. Aquestes persones empren d’una manera la tesis de Gorgias, no dic que l’emprén tots ni que l’emprén a conciencia, però hi ha una gran quantitat que creuen que el poble no enténc ni s’adona de les barbaritats que cometiexen moltes vegades i amaguen la veritat baix d’un ús del vocabulari molt elaborat.
Moltes de les teories que han formulat molts d’aquests filòsofs ens poden semblar ridícules, millor dit, ens deuen de parèixer perquè a una societat com la de hui en dia, en la que tots els seus habitants, o la majoria, presumeixen d’estar qualificats per a tot relacionat amb el seu treball no es deuria de permetre que ens manipulen de la manera que ho fan molts “personatges” públics, com per exemple els polítics.

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Enviado por Andrea Ruiz Peris 1er Batx. A (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 20:18

“El hombre nace libre, pero en todas partes se encuentra encadenado”

Rousseau defenia la inocencia i la bondat del ser humà, que és corrompit en la vida en societat. Tal vegada, aquesta forma de veure les coses va ser deguda a la seua infancia, ja que siguent menut va ser rebutjat per la societat ( son pare hagué de fugir de Ginebra per una disputa amb un militar, Rousseau començà a treballar i hagué de fugir per els mals modals del seu amo...).Per a ell, l’estat natural del home és bo, feliç i lliure abans de la vida en societat i és aquesta la que fa sorgir l’egoísme, l’ansia de riquesa i propietats, la injusticia...es a dir, les coses roïnes .

Aquest pensament es reflecteix als reality shows, com per exemple, Gran Hermano. En aquest tipus de programes, l’individu és aparentment “bo”, fins que entra en contacte amb el grup (societat).Entre aquest ,es fa una mena de pacte social, per a dur endavant la vida en comunitat , i a través d’aquest contracte és on es comencen a veure els trets negatius de cada persona: on comença a sorgir l’egoísme i les ansies de guanyar de cadascun.

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Enviado por idoia garcia (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 21:32

A fin de razonar el mundo televisivo o entender realmente aquello con lo que nos invaden y que no son reales,que no coinciden con la verdad,podiamos aplicar la teoria o formula de Socrates,es decir,''los razonamientos inductivos y y las definiciones'', es decir,en un primer momento partir o analizar las cosas concretas,las apariencias hasta tratar de descubrir o averiguar aquella información que se nos da atraves de la television,su esencia,la realidad o la veracidad de dicha informacion, y podemos contestar a nosotros mismos que es realmente esa informacion ese producto del que nos hablan o si realmente es como se presenta o nos lo ''pintan''?
Asi por ejemplo podiamos hablar,que la vida de socrates tambien podiamos conocerla o interpretarla como un anuncio o programa televisivo,una que conocemos o sabemos por lo que han escrito diversos filosofos,por ello hay versiones de su obra y su vida,pues deberiamos saber,averiguar las ideas,versiones y referencias que son realmente ciertas,que

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Enviado por idoia garcia (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 21:39

son o provienen de fuentes fiables...y llegar a la verdad,ya que pues como sucede en muchas veces todo lo que se dice o afirma no es verdad,y debemos averiguar el porque,la esencia de las versiones que no llegan,de quien vienen esas noticias,que relacion existe o existia entre las personas(Socrates y otros filosofos,unos los conocieron otros no),como en la actualidad unos hablan o informan con conocimiento de causa porque han investigado o averiguado y razonado aquello pues dicen y otros simplemente se dedican a hablar o informar sin saber lo que dicen.

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Enviado por Carmen Tamarit Rausell (Contact, Page)
Fecha: November 27th, 2006, 22:58

Hipias

Perteneix a la primera generació de sofistes.Se li atribuix un caracter agre i una descomunal memòria.
Acceptà la distinció entre physis i nómos pròpia de la sofística, i va defendre a la naturalesa en front a els nómoi sense optar per una postura egoísta.
La seva defensa altruista de la naturalesa, en front al nómos, va donar origen a la idea d'unitat de la espècie humana:per naturalesa som iguals.Són els nómoi, convencions socials, les causants de les distincions per raça, riquesa, naixement o status social.Les lleis positives causen la desigualtat entre els homes.Les lleis son convencions fetes per homes, i al ser el seu origen un contracte social, no poden pretindre la seua universalitat, podent així ser modificades continuament.

Aço podria aplicar-se a la televisió com a que tots els programes, per naturalesa, són iguals, i és per les les lleis que s'han fet per a cada tipus de programa que apareixen les discriminacions. Aquestes lleis cambien constantment, modernitzance a casa època, país o situació. Els que segueixen un tipus de programa, discriminen els altres, pel fet de pertanyer al genere que pertanyen sense haver-los vist avanç. Per exemple, una pesona que veu documentals, li agradaran els documentals, però discriminarà els programes del cor sense haver vist mai cap o no haver-los vist tots, o una persona que sols li agrada vore pel·licules, discriminara totes les series.

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Jo vag a parlar de Sócrates i dels sofistes.
Sócrates no es considerava profesor ni savi ja k ell no cobrava per enseñar a ningu,ell simplement allo que volia era difondre les seues idee si ell no tenia la culpa si algu el seguia,per a Sócrates mai ningu era savi ya que el saber mai s’acabava. Els sofistes eren uns mestres que es consideraven savis ja que creien que eu sabien tot. Aquestos cobraven per enseñar, eren habils per parlar per la qual cosa podien manipular allo que volien dir i segons les formes fer-ho creíble o no.
Per fer una comparacio amb la televisio diria que per exemple hi ha un programa de televisio,nose come s diu,pero hi ha uns entrevistadors entrevistant a un apersona,pense que aquestos podrien compararse amb els sofistes ja que tenen habilitat per parlar i preocurar fer la preguntad e tal manera pera que l’entrevistat no sapiga que dir.

A Sócrates el compararia amb el polígrafo de antena tres, aquest polígrafo es suposa que busca la verita igual que la buscaba Sócrates,encara que hi ha algunes vegades que aquest polígrafo no es 100% fiable.

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Jo vag a parlar de Protàgores.

Protàgores va nàixer en Abdera, en la costa del Mar Egeu, aproximadament en el 490 a.C. i va viure en Atenes i Sicilia. En Atenes va adquirir molta fama i es va dedicar a l’esperança basant-se en el discurs persuasiu. Una de les seues llavors professionals va ser elaborar un codi penal per a Turios.

Ell defensava que no hi ha cap veritat absoluta, sinó que les coses són tal i com les percibim cadascú. De manera que el que per a una persona és correcte per a una altra pot resultar incorrecte, i aquest pensament s’aplica a tots els àmbits de la vida.

Per tant, es pot dir que la televisió es totalment contraria a aquest pensament. No ens vol fer veure les distintes opinions de les coses, sinó que sols ens mostra la que a ells els interessa. D’alguna manera ens vol fer veure que les coses sols tenen una veritat, la que ells volen. La única possible excepció podrien ser els programes de debat. Aquest programes en teoria es fan per fer veure diferents opinions sobre un mateix tema o succés. Aquests programes seran una excepció sempre i quant la opinió dels participants en el debat sigui totalment lliure.

De tota manera la televisió ens intenta fer creure que sols hi ha una veritat per a el que s’estigui tractant en la immensa majoria dels casos. D’acord amb els seus interessos.

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Vaig a parlar Pródig, un sofista jonic major que Sócrates. Pródig va elegir entre la virtud i el vici, dues dones que se li van apropar a Heracles, dues coses molt diferents però les dues plaenteres. Nosaltres quan mirem la televisió hi ha que elegir com mirar-la.
La televisió està inventada per a l’entreteniment de les persones o millor dit per a entretenir i satisfer les postres necessitats, segons les postres necessitat elegirme si la veiem de manera virtuosa donant gràcies a aques invent meravellos que ens trau de la vida i ens du a un món pararel o la podem veure perque si, si la vejam perque si sense cap proposit en concret el que estem fent es crear una adicció a una cosa que no nocessitem per a viure ja que hi ha moltes maneres també de satisfer les nostres necessitats.
Elegim el que elegim cal saber que allò que ens mostra la televisió no és sempre el millor per a nosaltres i que no ens mostra tota la veritat ja que es manipulada pero això ja ho sabem tots. De tota manera quan ja saps perque mires la televisió hi ha que fer una reflexió de perquè ho fas i d’aquesta manera saber si et conve que darte “cara el caixó” i deixar la vida passar i fer altres coses molt més interesants
La virtud és una cosa sencilla i esforzada mentre que el vici ens comporta plaers i obsenitats. Pròdig va elegir la primera, la virtud, la qual jo pense que és la millor per a veure la televisió encara que amb certa messura perque hi ha necessitats que la televisió no pot cobrir.

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Vaig a parlar Pródig, un sofista jonic major que Sócrates. Pródig va elegir entre la virtud i el vici, dues dones que se li van apropar a Heracles, dues coses molt diferents però les dues plaenteres. Nosaltres quan mirem la televisió hi ha que elegir com mirar-la.
La televisió està inventada per a l’entreteniment de les persones o millor dit per a entretenir i satisfer les postres necessitats, segons les postres necessitat elegirme si la veiem de manera virtuosa donant gràcies a aques invent meravellos que ens trau de la vida i ens du a un món pararel o la podem veure perque si, si la vejam perque si sense cap proposit en concret el que estem fent es crear una adicció a una cosa que no nocessitem per a viure ja que hi ha moltes maneres també de satisfer les nostres necessitats.
Elegim el que elegim cal saber que allò que ens mostra la televisió no és sempre el millor per a nosaltres i que no ens mostra tota la veritat ja que es manipulada pero això ja ho sabem tots. De tota manera quan ja saps perque mires la televisió hi ha que fer una reflexió de perquè ho fas i d’aquesta manera saber si et conve que darte “cara el caixó” i deixar la vida passar i fer altres coses molt més interesants
La virtud és una cosa sencilla i esforzada mentre que el vici ens comporta plaers i obsenitats. Pròdig va elegir la primera, la virtud, la qual jo pense que és la millor per a veure la televisió encara que amb certa messura perque hi ha necessitats que la televisió no pot cobrir.

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Protagores no creia en els deus. Per aquest motiu fou acusat d’impietat i hagué d’abandonar Atenes. A un escrit va deixar constancia del seu agnosticisme:

“De los dioses no puedo saber ni que son, ni que no son, ni qué aspecto tienen; pues múltiple es lo que me impide saber: tanto la no patencia, como el ser breve de la vida del hombre.”

Diu que al no veure cap indici de l’existència d’un ser superior a l’home, i la curta durada de la vida del mateix, no creu en deus.
Jo crec que aquest esperit crític el podem aplicar a la televisió. Per què hem de creure una cosa que no tenim cap indici de que siga vertadera? Tothom es lliure de pensar i creure el que vulga, es clar. Jo crec que moltes de les coses que veiem a la tele son simples actuacions. No parle dels “realitis” ni programes d’aquesta mena social; parle més bé, dels programes que poden influir en la nostra vida. Com ara, els infomatius. Per ficar un exemple, parlare dels informatius de Canal Nou, la “nostra” televisió. Deixant una mica banda el contingut de les noticies, em fixare en la forma en que les trasmeten. El presentador hem sembla l’actor més dolent de tota València. Jo em pare a escoltar-l’ho i em sembla que no es creu ni ell mateix el que esta dient.
Del que veiem a la televisió, què és veritat i què no ho és?

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Vaig a parlar del primer sofista del qual tenim noticia: Protágores.
Protágores va nàixer a Abdera, en la Costa nord del Mar Egeu aproximadament a l´any 490 a.C, i va viure a Atenes i a Sicília. En Atenes es va fer famós; també es va fer amic de Pericles i va dedicarse a la ensenyança basada en l´art del discurs persuasiu. Algunes de les seues obres són: “Discursos demoledores”, “Sobre los dioses” i “Antilogías”.Els seus oponents principals van ser Plató i Aristóteles.
De volta a la seua població natal després d´haver sigut desterrat d´Atenes per impietat,(per agnosticisme) va morir en un naufragi.
Protágores va defendre un relativisme del coneixement i dels valors.Va negar que existiren valors i veritats universals per a tots els hòmens. Una de les seues frases més famoses es:
“El hombre es la medida de todas las cosas de las que son, en tanto que son,y de las que no son, en cuanto que no son.”
Protágores defensa que la paraula es útil per a triomfar sobre els altres però la veritat absoluta no existeix ja que depén del punt de vista de cadascú es a dir, depen de com se miren les coses.
Amb els debats politics que veiem a la televisió, podem observar que depenent de com se miren les coses i dels ideals de cadascú, tots volen tindre raó i defensen la seua propia veritat mitjançant el discurs de la paraula.

En conclusió, que a la política que ix reflexada a la televisió, no s´arriba mai a un acord ja que cadascú vol superposar la propia veritat per damunt de les altres.

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Fue el primer sofista del que se conocio alguna noticia. Nació en Abdera, en la costa N del Mar Egeo, sobre el año 490 a.deC. y vivió en Atenas y Sicilia. En Atenas, fue un lugar donde obtuvo una gran fama, se hizo amigo de Pericles y este dedicó a la enseñanza basada en el arte del discurso persuasivo, ejercitando a los jóvenes en las técnicas de argüir a favor de las dos caras de un mismo argumento.Este sofista nego la posibilidad de que la realidad vaya mas allá de las apariencias y dijo lo siguiente:
De los dioses no puedo saber ni que son, ni que no son, ni qué aspecto tienen; pues múltiple es lo que me impide saber: tanto la no patencia (de lo ente mismo), como el ser breve de la vida del hombre.
Este se puede comparar en la televisión en que no todo los programas que vemos o los comentarios de las noticias son verdaderas o se pueden creer. Aunque normalmente lo que nos ponen en la televisión solo nos tendríamos de creer lo que dicen las noticias. Porque los programas del corazón y todos los reality shows lo único que quieren es sacar dinero a través de la audencia.

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Protàgores d'Abdera: va ser un filósof presocràtic de l’ Antiga Grècia. Pensa que tot està regit per una influència permanent de partícules i que el moviment no és possible sense l'existència de contraris. És per això que veu l'oposició i la contradicció com els veritables principis de la realitat, de manera que l'ésser efectivament real és aquell que es manifesta pels nostres sentits. Se li atribueix una cèlebre paradoxa, que ben bé podria il•lustrar la tesi contemporània segons la qual alguns problemes són indecidibles. Es pot interpretar, però, que aquest coneixement és més escepticisme i relativisme que no pas nihilisme. En tot cas, Protàgores, mantenint el seu relativisme, afirma que la virtut es pot aconseguir si es tenen els adequats coneixements de diferents tipus.
Aquest escepticisme en relació al coneixement humà el concreta en la frase:
"L'home és la mesura de totes les coses"
Açó es pot relacionar amb la televisió amb que la majoria de les coses que hi apareixen no son reals i que nomes son una espècie de montatge per a fer-nos creure el que volen i captar la nostra atenció. Protàgores pensava com que tot era una contradicció i a la televisió de alguna manera es pot trobar açó tambe, els anuncis televisius el que busquen es poder captar el major nombre de consumidors, però clar com que tots busquen el mateix ens llancen tal quantitat de anuncis que finalment tots ens convencen i no saven quin es el millor, açó ens produeix una contradiccio i una oposició de pensaments que es el que finalment no ens deixa pensar.

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